Hubzillians should consider the opportunity to promote it's features for private communications as you state. Other than ego, why should people operate and post content to public servers?
this Hubzilla forum is a public forum
rent your garage
why should you allow someone to conduct illegal behaviour?
you would not rent your garage to a stranger so that an illegal product could be manufactured, then claim it is not your fault
That should change to private.
...do not communicate in public digital services with anyone that you do not know personally.
So on my hub that's not allowed
So on my hub that's not allowed: Keine Verstöße gegen geltendes Recht (No violations of applicable law)I do not allow any user to act illegally.
"I'm think I'm going to add an indemnification and hold harmless clause to my terms of service and encourage others to do so as well."That way we can legally redirect the cost to the person who committed the illegal acts."
terms of service
I'm think I'm going to add an indemnification and hold harmless clause to my terms of service
DisclaimerLiability for contentI cannot guarantee that the content on this Fediverse instance is correct, complete or up to date. As a service provider, I am responsible for my own content on these pages according to the general laws. However, as a service provider, I am not obliged to monitor transmitted or stored third-party information or to investigate circumstances that indicate illegal activity. Obligations to remove or block the use of information under the general laws remain unaffected. However, a relevant liability is only possible from the date of knowledge of a specific infringement. Upon notification of such violations, I will remove this content immediately, if required by law.Liability for linksMy site contains links to external websites over which I have no control. Therefore I can not guarantee for these foreign contents. The respective provider or operator of the pages is always responsible for the contents of the linked pages. However, a permanent content control of the linked pages is not reasonable without concrete evidence of a violation. Upon notification of violations, I will remove such links immediately.
HaftungsausschlussHaftung für InhalteFür die Richtigkeit, Vollständigkeit und Aktualität der Inhalte auf dieser Fediverse-Instanz kann ich keine Gewähr übernehmen. Als Diensteanbieter bin ich für eigene Inhalte auf diesen Seiten nach den allgemeinen Gesetzen verantwortlich. Ich bin als Diensteanbieter jedoch nicht verpflichtet, übermittelte oder gespeicherte fremde Informationen zu überwachen oder nach Umständen zu forschen, die auf eine rechtswidrige Tätigkeit hinweisen. Verpflichtungen zur Entfernung oder Sperrung der Nutzung von Informationen nach den allgemeinen Gesetzen bleiben hiervon unberührt. Eine diesbezügliche Haftung ist jedoch erst ab dem Zeitpunkt der Kenntnis einer konkreten Rechtsverletzung möglich. Bei Bekanntwerden von entsprechenden Rechtsverletzungen werde ich diese Inhalte umgehend entfernen, sofern dies rechtlich erforderlich ist.Haftung für LinksMeine Instanz enthält Links zu externen Webseiten Dritter, auf deren Inhalte ich keinen Einfluss habe. Deshalb kann ich für diese fremden Inhalte auch keine Gewähr übernehmen. Für die Inhalte der verlinkten Seiten ist stets der jeweilige Anbieter oder Betreiber der Seiten verantwortlich. Eine permanente inhaltliche Kontrolle der verlinkten Seiten ist jedoch ohne konkrete Anhaltspunkte einer Rechtsverletzung nicht zumutbar. Bei Bekanntwerden von Rechtsverletzungen werde ich derartige Links umgehend entfernen.
It is an open forum in which information should be made available to every user!
However, as a service provider, I am not obliged to monitor transmitted or stored third-party information or to investigate circumstances that indicate illegal activity.
You should seek professional legal advice: this statement is incompatible with the UK legislation, you would be liable for the content if available in public and/or via search query.
This can be achieved with extant authentication, i.e. only registered users that sign in to the hubzilla server.
It is a return to the concept of consensual communications as espoused by Mr Macgirvin and others. Some still continue to reject such a simple concept.
However, we have some people that believe they should have the freedom to give people unsolicited content.
When you come up with language for how to do this, it'd be great if you could share it here!
People without accounts on your site aren't bound by your terms of service, but their messages can still appear there, potentially exposing you to liability under a draconian law.
Nobody can and should take my responsibility and my personal freedom away from me.
we can use the mail defense, arguing that we can't control what people send via the mail.
we are held liable for content posted by someone else.
Are you stating that the option to delete a post, is false?
Deleting from your stream is not deleting anything from any channel.
If two users are reading the same thread on a server, I wouldn't expect one person deleting it would cause it to disappear for the other.
This liability has existed for commercial companies (TV, books etc.?}, so maybe it is logical for individuals to have the same liability now, if everyone is now more able to distribute their opinion than ever before because of internet technology.
This makes it very difficult to comply with multiple countries' laws. Not to mention how absurd it is to hold the phone company or post office liable for people who make phone calls and send letters.
As far as I am aware, there are two types of deletes.
Your scenarios suggest that true removal does not occur by the hubzillian user; the item remains in some sort of database that presumably the database administrator is the only person authorised to access and/or delete that database item.
Personally not so sure about the absurdity. If these carriers (telephone company, post office, etc..) offer their service as part of some contract, it does not seem reasonable for the service to have some standards (e.g. a post office may stipulate that in order to use their service, the customer must not ask for an illegal substance to be enclosed before despatch by the carrier)
That is the way it is... and it's a good thing, too. A normal user should not be able to delete content completely from the database.
Has anyone here read the actual text of the law?
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